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Pretty Girls, or, It Kind Of Sounds Like This Song Is About Herpes?

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PostSubject: Pretty Girls, or, It Kind Of Sounds Like This Song Is About Herpes?   Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:17 pm

I really like the song "Pretty Girls", but the references to "mistakes that cannot be undone" are remarkably vague. I used to think that this was a reference to an STD, or maybe even AIDS (in fact, the final track on the album made me think the whole album was a concept album based around a rock star dying as a metaphor for something or other....).

But then I thought that perhaps the song was talking about the life of a musician, always travelling, which I imagine makes it hard to form relationships.

Then I read that Tom Gabel had been going through a divorce (this was mentioned in Magnet, I think, I do not know if it's true or no), and I thought that perhaps it's talking about getting married. I have actually found that, since I got married, people react to you in a strange way. I cannot actually talk to any woman because they automatically presume I am trying to cheat on my wife, and men treat me like I've got some kind of horrible disease or something. Maybe this is the "mistake", referring to a failed marriage as a sort of scarlet letter that makes forming any new relationships well nigh impossible.

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PostSubject: Re: Pretty Girls, or, It Kind Of Sounds Like This Song Is About Herpes?   Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:29 pm

I always thought it was an STD too, haha. Tom was married ..I think when he was 19 or 20, but that didn't work out. But yea, that's interesting ..I could see it as marriage too.
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PostSubject: Re: Pretty Girls, or, It Kind Of Sounds Like This Song Is About Herpes?   Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:55 am

i never thought about it that way just huge mistakes in a relationship
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PostSubject: Re: Pretty Girls, or, It Kind Of Sounds Like This Song Is About Herpes?   Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:01 pm

Quote:
I want to be healthy,
I don't want this problem.
You wouldn't think something like irresponsibility,
would complicate something like asking for some company

What kind of irresponsibility? Maybe Unprotected Sex with Multiple Partners. I think the song is about being ostracized because of how big his band was getting.
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PostSubject: Re: Pretty Girls, or, It Kind Of Sounds Like This Song Is About Herpes?   Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:06 pm

But the line 'I want to be healthy' kinda gives it the idea of being a disease and not about being in a successful band.

'or you wouldn't think
something like irresponsibility
would complicate something like
asking for some company'

I wouldn't consider your band getting big an irresponsibility..
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PostSubject: Re: Pretty Girls, or, It Kind Of Sounds Like This Song Is About Herpes?   Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:15 pm

lex wrote:
But the line 'I want to be healthy' kinda gives it the idea of being a disease and not about being in a successful band.

'or you wouldn't think
something like irresponsibility
would complicate something like
asking for some company'

I wouldn't consider your band getting big an irresponsibility..

Nor would I. But the STD theme and the title of "Unprotected Sex with Multiple Partners" are hard to ignore. I'm reading the lyrics to it and I'm starting to think the irresponsiblity refers to getting too involved in the business aspect of making music, or associating with the wrong people.


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PostSubject: Re: Pretty Girls, or, It Kind Of Sounds Like This Song Is About Herpes?   Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:19 pm

Yea, that's kind of the meaning that I applied to the song 'Unprotected Sex With Multiple Partners.'
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PostSubject: Re: Pretty Girls, or, It Kind Of Sounds Like This Song Is About Herpes?   Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:56 pm

"I want to be healthy" can mean anything. "Health" has many connotative meanings beyond the literal, all of them basically meaning a base state, or an ideal state.
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PostSubject: Re: Pretty Girls, or, It Kind Of Sounds Like This Song Is About Herpes?   Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:46 pm

i thought the whole cd was kinda based around the same concept...Miami sets the tone of the culture, with the whole voting scandel in flordia in 2000, then from her lips sets the tone of 05...how low, unprotected sex, pretty girls all kinda the events to lead up to the last song searching for a former clarity, with aids and stuff..also sutff like don't lose touch right before the last song is like if someone has aids there losing touch and know it but can't stop it it's obvious. then joy, everything seems right but unfolds...

idk the exact order or w/e..but it defintly is a compelling story ending with death, via aids.. great album to bad the concept never got mainstream :\
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PostSubject: Re: Pretty Girls, or, It Kind Of Sounds Like This Song Is About Herpes?   Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:49 pm

also the album realy has so many interpitations..if you listen to the songs seperatly like Unprotected sex..then you get toms feelings towards the record company same with the roller...but even the titles of the songs tell the story, so it makes scences if you think about it all
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PostSubject: Re: Pretty Girls, or, It Kind Of Sounds Like This Song Is About Herpes?   Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:41 pm

It's just too bad the band didn't seem to be into it, I think Tom referred to it as "a bummer" when talking about "New Wave" going in a more up-beat, two and a half minute rock song direction.

Although I loved "The Ocean". I hope Tom does more of whatever drug he was on when he wrote that one.
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PostSubject: Re: Pretty Girls, or, It Kind Of Sounds Like This Song Is About Herpes?   Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:46 pm

I hope not Sad Drugs are bad. Sure, they may influence good song writing but the long term effects aren't worth it.

And how come people always refer to is as 'The Ocean', I always thought it was just Ocean.
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PostSubject: Re: Pretty Girls, or, It Kind Of Sounds Like This Song Is About Herpes?   Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:50 pm

i dont think it's about drugs at all.
its definatly just Ocean kids.
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PostSubject: Re: Pretty Girls, or, It Kind Of Sounds Like This Song Is About Herpes?   Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:52 pm

Alright, cool. I thought I was going crazy and it had been declared THE Ocean somewhere.

Yeah, I think that song is so beautiful and the thought of Tom on some acid trip totally ruins it for me, haha.
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PostSubject: Re: Pretty Girls, or, It Kind Of Sounds Like This Song Is About Herpes?   Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:45 pm

yea its The Ocean but on the New Wave cd it just says ocean...just how it says Borne On The FM Waves, but its Borne On the FM Waves of the Heart.

but i prefer new wave and its bsides much more then searching for..
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