Cliche Guevara

Subject: Re: Cliche Guevara Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:43 pm

Okay, so I think a total of two of these posts were about Cliche Guevara.
Awesome.
Lol.

Subject: Re: Cliche Guevara Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:11 pm

the reason che is on t-shirts is because he represents activisim, revolution. in a sence he's alot like jesus or obama. his ideas aren't looked at, but people follow him because of what he represents.

personaly i think che had good intentions. i watched the motorcycle diarys in spanish class. i respect that he wanted to help people that where poor in 3rd world c ountries that the rest of the world neglected.

this meaning of this song is pretty much summed up in the name. it is cliche to oblige to liking che guevara and wearing his tshirts or whatnot.

Subject: Re: Cliche Guevara Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:14 am

Subject: Re: Cliche Guevara Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:16 am

Motorcycle Diaries is pretty damn good

Subject: Re: Cliche Guevara Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:11 am

Ive read Castro's autobiography and a tome about Guevara's life by Jon Lee Anderson, and both talk about why they did what they did, not that they killed people to make a point or anything like that. This is important, i.e. the Sandinistas were technically terrorists like the Cuban revolutionaries were, but they were freedom fighters in more ways. But Cuba is more stable than the US in ways. If i needed a doctor id much rather be in Cuba than the US cos they have universal healthcare, and that is due to Castro and Guevara.

However i dont like seeing people wearing his face on a t shirt unless they know who he is. Him representing revolution etc is fine, but not if people cant tell you anything about him as a revolutionary otherwise it becomes pointless.

Subject: Re: Cliche Guevara Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:01 pm

Basically it all comes down to if you believe in what the other person/people is doing and such you will see it as good or bad, I try and see the good in everyone even if they have done bad shit. Ya the US is a warmongering country but its still done good.

Che killed people but does that mean he had to be murded, and be written off as a communist/terrorist. He went and lived with sick people when no one else would care for them. The government put them in a camp in the middle of the amazon and the doctors that where suppose to treat the sick people didnt even want to help and what Che do he fucking went over there lived with the people, gave the people happyness, when no one else would.

In the end people do good and bad, its up to you how you want to remember those people.[/quote]

you have a point there, im from northern ireland, some see the IRA as a heroic army fighting for their freedom, i see them as a gang of thugs who shoot protestant business men in front of their children to get rid of us "scum" from ireland. they blew up my grandparents home many times as well as his small corner shop which he struggled to make a living from to support his wife and 3 kids. from what i know i have nothing against che guevara, and hes almost a hero based on what i know, he executed many people, but those people were war criminals apparently, but i will never wear a che guevara t-shirt because i know to some people its extreamly offensive, but its just based on their lack of knowledge. i dont give a shit if its offensive to americans though, they got some commiephobia. i despise all paramilitary because they all get a glorified reputation they dont deserve. i hear americans saying "we support the irish struggle" like its the 1800's or something, and they say it to people who have relatives and friends brutally murdered in the past in front of their own children. and these people just view it from safety as a heroic act when they dont have to live with it. i find it offensive, despite whether it was IRA or UDA they were glorifying, i take offence. so basically we hear che did a lot of good things, he likely was a good person, but i dont trust biest information everyone recieves about him whether its "damning the commie" or glorifying a revolutionary.